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Michelle Konzack
[PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 10:30AM
Why do most of you respond always with two messages:

1) to the list
2) a reply direct

It is annoying, specially, if I read my personal folder first
and think, someone respond to me privately and answer accordenly
even if the message should have gone back to the list...

Thanks in avance

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Lester Caine
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 10:50AM
On 11/01/18 09:24, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Why do most of you respond always with two messages:
>
> 1) to the list
> 2) a reply direct
>
> It is annoying, specially, if I read my personal folder first
> and think, someone respond to me privately and answer accordenly
> even if the message should have gone back to the list...

There are a number of 'preferred' ways of running lists via email, and
just like 'top posting' it can be something of a religious war, but with
the right email clients one can manage things a little bit. With
thunderbird I get 'reply to list', 'reply all', and reply. The PHP lists
'default' to replying to the sender as do many email lists these days
and while *I* only very rarely need to replay just to the sender, that
IS the default, so I have to remember to 'reply to list' which drops the
personally addressed copy. As with this reply ...

Like most things related to the internet, nothing was ever planned, so
there is no 'proper' way of doing anything. It would be nice if the
domain names were th other way around so uk. was reserved for emails and
domains that actually originated in the UK, but that is never going to
happen now :(

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Michelle Konzack
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 11:10AM
Hello Lester,

Am 2018-01-11 hackte Lester Caine in die Tasten:
> There are a number of 'preferred' ways of running lists via email, and
> just like 'top posting' it can be something of a religious war, but with
> the right email clients one can manage things a little bit.

I think "Top posting" discussions where in the last 18 years endless

> With
> thunderbird I get 'reply to list', 'reply all', and reply. The PHP lists
> 'default' to replying to the sender as do many email lists these days
> and while *I* only very rarely need to replay just to the sender, that
> IS the default, so I have to remember to 'reply to list' which drops the
> personally addressed copy. As with this reply ...

I use since beginning of 1999 "mutt" and are used to hit ALWAYS
Reply-to-List.

Currently my Compaq Laptop broke (screen stays black) and I use a
spare ThinkPad T400 with this horribel Windows 7 installed, which
do not even want to recognize its own Activation key and bother me
every hour and limit the functions of Windows 7...

I realy hate Micr0$oft!

However, currently I use my Webmail interface "squirrelmail" which
has also the option "Reply to List". I can not realy imagine,
making it different

> Like most things related to the internet, nothing was ever planned, so
> there is no 'proper' way of doing anything. It would be nice if the
> domain names were th other way around so uk. was reserved for emails and
> domains that actually originated in the UK, but that is never going to
> happen now :(

Have a nice day

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Jigar Dhulla
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 11:10AM
In gmail I have three options, Reply, Reply to All and Forward.

On clicking Reply, reply will go to personal address only (no list).
On clicking Reply to All, reply will go to personal email and list.
Fwd, we all know.

In this mail I have removed the personal email address, hope this is the
correct way.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Michelle Konzack <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello Lester,
>
> Am 2018-01-11 hackte Lester Caine in die Tasten:
> > There are a number of 'preferred' ways of running lists via email, and
> > just like 'top posting' it can be something of a religious war, but with
> > the right email clients one can manage things a little bit.
>
> I think "Top posting" discussions where in the last 18 years endless
>
> > With
> > thunderbird I get 'reply to list', 'reply all', and reply. The PHP lists
> > 'default' to replying to the sender as do many email lists these days
> > and while *I* only very rarely need to replay just to the sender, that
> > IS the default, so I have to remember to 'reply to list' which drops the
> > personally addressed copy. As with this reply ...
>
> I use since beginning of 1999 "mutt" and are used to hit ALWAYS
> Reply-to-List.
>
> Currently my Compaq Laptop broke (screen stays black) and I use a
> spare ThinkPad T400 with this horribel Windows 7 installed, which
> do not even want to recognize its own Activation key and bother me
> every hour and limit the functions of Windows 7...
>
> I realy hate Micr0$oft!
>
> However, currently I use my Webmail interface "squirrelmail" which
> has also the option "Reply to List". I can not realy imagine,
> making it different
>
> > Like most things related to the internet, nothing was ever planned, so
> > there is no 'proper' way of doing anything. It would be nice if the
> > domain names were th other way around so uk. was reserved for emails and
> > domains that actually originated in the UK, but that is never going to
> > happen now :(
>
> Have a nice day
>
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> Michelle Konzack
> 00372-54541400
>
>
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Michelle Konzack
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 11:50AM
Hi Jigar,

Am 2018-01-11 hackte Jigar Dhulla in die Tasten:
> In gmail I have three options, Reply, Reply to All and Forward.
>
> On clicking Reply, reply will go to personal address only (no list).
> On clicking Reply to All, reply will go to personal email and list.
> Fwd, we all know.
>
> In this mail I have removed the personal email address, hope this is the
> correct way.

Yes, it is.

Thanks in avance

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Lester Caine
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 12:10PM
On 11/01/18 10:39, Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> In gmail I have three options, Reply, Reply to All and Forward.
>>
>> On clicking Reply, reply will go to personal address only (no list).
>> On clicking Reply to All, reply will go to personal email and list.
>> Fwd, we all know.
>>
>> In this mail I have removed the personal email address, hope this is the
>> correct way.
> Yes, it is.

My mobile phone has the same problem, but removing the personal address
can be a bit hit and miss. Just tried to reply but it wipes both reply
addresses ... and also virtually forces top posting. So it only gets
used in emergencies ... back on the desktop now ... with a decent client.

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Lester Caine
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 12:20PM
On 11/01/18 09:59, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Currently my Compaq Laptop broke (screen stays black) and I use a
> spare ThinkPad T400 with this horribel Windows 7 installed, which
> do not even want to recognize its own Activation key and bother me
> every hour and limit the functions of Windows 7...
>
> I realy hate Micr0$oft!

My windows machine is currently stuck in the 'blue screen crash mode'. I
presume because as with all my machines it's an AMD processor and they
are forcing the Intel hack down my throat :( Can't even get to log in to
change anything!

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Narcis Garcia
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 12:20PM
You mean Gmail's webmail.
If you need Gmail address, you can use it with you e-mail client
(M.Thunderbird, K-9 Mail, etc.) with better behaviour and less i/o spend.


El 11/01/18 a les 11:05, Jigar Dhulla ha escrit:
> In gmail I have three options, Reply, Reply to All and Forward.
>
> On clicking Reply, reply will go to personal address only (no list).
> On clicking Reply to All, reply will go to personal email and list.
> Fwd, we all know.
>
> In this mail I have removed the personal email address, hope this is the
> correct way.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Michelle Konzack <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hello Lester,
>>
>> Am 2018-01-11 hackte Lester Caine in die Tasten:
>>> There are a number of 'preferred' ways of running lists via email, and
>>> just like 'top posting' it can be something of a religious war, but with
>>> the right email clients one can manage things a little bit.
>>
>> I think "Top posting" discussions where in the last 18 years endless
>>
>>> With
>>> thunderbird I get 'reply to list', 'reply all', and reply. The PHP lists
>>> 'default' to replying to the sender as do many email lists these days
>>> and while *I* only very rarely need to replay just to the sender, that
>>> IS the default, so I have to remember to 'reply to list' which drops the
>>> personally addressed copy. As with this reply ...
>>
>> I use since beginning of 1999 "mutt" and are used to hit ALWAYS
>> Reply-to-List.
>>
>> Currently my Compaq Laptop broke (screen stays black) and I use a
>> spare ThinkPad T400 with this horribel Windows 7 installed, which
>> do not even want to recognize its own Activation key and bother me
>> every hour and limit the functions of Windows 7...
>>
>> I realy hate Micr0$oft!
>>
>> However, currently I use my Webmail interface "squirrelmail" which
>> has also the option "Reply to List". I can not realy imagine,
>> making it different
>>
>>> Like most things related to the internet, nothing was ever planned, so
>>> there is no 'proper' way of doing anything. It would be nice if the
>>> domain names were th other way around so uk. was reserved for emails and
>>> domains that actually originated in the UK, but that is never going to
>>> happen now :(
>>
>> Have a nice day
>>
>> --
>> Michelle Konzack
>> 00372-54541400
>>
>>
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>>
>
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Michelle Konzack
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 02:00PM
Am DATE hackte AUTHOR in die Tasten: Narcis Garcia
> You mean Gmail's webmail.
> If you need Gmail address, you can use it with you e-mail client
> (M.Thunderbird, K-9 Mail, etc.) with better behaviour and less i/o spend.

I hate GMail because they believe, I live in France or Germany,
but if I am on voyage, or like now, living in Estonia, they have
blocked my GMail account and I am unabble to unblock it, because
they want, I go back to my frenc office and login from there to
unblock it, but my french office does not more exist!

GMail is a crap service like Live, Hotmail, Yahoo, MSN, etc., they
are all blocked by my mail server on SMTP Level because otherwise
I would get per day arround 200-10.000 spams on my mail server...

However, GMail is in the meantime also used by spamers and maybe
I will block GMail too.


I use on my three mail servers "squirrelmail" as webmail interface,
because it is fast, nobody tell me what is spam or not and I can use
spamassassin, visusscanner and RBLs and whateklse as I like.

Greetings
Michelle


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Michelle Konzack
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 02:10PM
This sound very familiar to me

Am 2018-01-11 hackte Lester Caine in die Tasten:
> My windows machine is currently stuck in the 'blue screen crash mode'. I
> presume because as with all my machines it's an AMD processor and they
> are forcing the Intel hack down my throat :( Can't even get to log in to
> change anything!

Also I can not even burn CD/DVD because of an error message.
Microsoft claim it is a hardware error, but when I search the
internet, it seems, that at least 14 Laptop manufacturer are
to stupid to dedign correctly 218 differnt Laptops.

Installing a spare HDD and oh wonder, with Debian GNU/Linux,
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD it works like a charm!


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Andy McKenzie
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 03:30PM
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 4:24 AM, Michelle Konzack <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Why do most of you respond always with two messages:
>
> 1) to the list
> 2) a reply direct
>
> It is annoying, specially, if I read my personal folder first
> and think, someone respond to me privately and answer accordenly
> even if the message should have gone back to the list...
>
> Thanks in avance
>
>
This may come off as rude, but I hope it won't, since that's not the
intent. Nevertheless, here goes:

I'm just going to be blunt, here: I stopped posting questions here (and on
most mailing lists), for the most part, because in forums the discussion of
the actual problem is almost never derailed by people griping about top
posts or reply/reply-all/reply-to-list. That happened in one of the first
threads I was following: the person asking never got an answer, because it
turned into a week of people yelling at each other about posting
etiquette. I haven't seen that as much recently, but I've got to say it
wasn't a very welcoming environment.

A lot of us use whatever client we use because we like it, or it's simple,
or whatever other reason. Since there are no standards, we mostly just
accept the way it works and move on with our lives. As long as people
aren't insisting on HTML messages with the blink tag, I don't really care
whether they top post or reply twice. Why? Because my client (the GMail
web client) makes it clear what text is new, and only shows me one copy, so
it doesn't really make any difference in readability or time use.

Andy
Aziz Saleh
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 03:50PM
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Andy McKenzie <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 4:24 AM, Michelle Konzack <
> [email protected]et> wrote:
>
> > Why do most of you respond always with two messages:
> >
> > 1) to the list
> > 2) a reply direct
> >
> > It is annoying, specially, if I read my personal folder first
> > and think, someone respond to me privately and answer accordenly
> > even if the message should have gone back to the list...
> >
> > Thanks in avance
> >
> >
> This may come off as rude, but I hope it won't, since that's not the
> intent. Nevertheless, here goes:
>
> I'm just going to be blunt, here: I stopped posting questions here (and on
> most mailing lists), for the most part, because in forums the discussion of
> the actual problem is almost never derailed by people griping about top
> posts or reply/reply-all/reply-to-list. That happened in one of the first
> threads I was following: the person asking never got an answer, because it
> turned into a week of people yelling at each other about posting
> etiquette. I haven't seen that as much recently, but I've got to say it
> wasn't a very welcoming environment.
>
> A lot of us use whatever client we use because we like it, or it's simple,
> or whatever other reason. Since there are no standards, we mostly just
> accept the way it works and move on with our lives. As long as people
> aren't insisting on HTML messages with the blink tag, I don't really care
> whether they top post or reply twice. Why? Because my client (the GMail
> web client) makes it clear what text is new, and only shows me one copy, so
> it doesn't really make any difference in readability or time use.
>
> Andy
>

+1
Peter Cowburn
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 11, 2018 05:50PM
On 11 January 2018 at 10:05, Jigar Dhulla <[email protected]> wrote:

> In gmail I have three options, Reply, Reply to All and Forward.
>
> On clicking Reply, reply will go to personal address only (no list).
> On clicking Reply to All, reply will go to personal email and list.
> Fwd, we all know.
>
> In this mail I have removed the personal email address, hope this is the
> correct way.
>

Folks, please (re-)familiarize yourself with the "Mailing List Posting
guidelines" (http://php.net/mailing-lists.php).
These guidelines advocate the use of "Reply-All" because not everyone who
is part of a discussion thread is necessarily subscribed to the list.
Joe Bloggs can happily send an email to this list, for example with a
question about his PHP script, without being subscribed. If you helpful
people replying only do so by sending to the list address, then poor Joe
will think that his question is being ignored when that's really not the
case. Don't make Joe feel ignored!


>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Michelle Konzack <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hello Lester,
> >
> > Am 2018-01-11 hackte Lester Caine in die Tasten:
> > > There are a number of 'preferred' ways of running lists via email, and
> > > just like 'top posting' it can be something of a religious war, but
> with
> > > the right email clients one can manage things a little bit.
> >
> > I think "Top posting" discussions where in the last 18 years endless
> >
> > > With
> > > thunderbird I get 'reply to list', 'reply all', and reply. The PHP
> lists
> > > 'default' to replying to the sender as do many email lists these days
> > > and while *I* only very rarely need to replay just to the sender, that
> > > IS the default, so I have to remember to 'reply to list' which drops
> the
> > > personally addressed copy. As with this reply ...
> >
> > I use since beginning of 1999 "mutt" and are used to hit ALWAYS
> > Reply-to-List.
> >
> > Currently my Compaq Laptop broke (screen stays black) and I use a
> > spare ThinkPad T400 with this horribel Windows 7 installed, which
> > do not even want to recognize its own Activation key and bother me
> > every hour and limit the functions of Windows 7...
> >
> > I realy hate Micr0$oft!
> >
> > However, currently I use my Webmail interface "squirrelmail" which
> > has also the option "Reply to List". I can not realy imagine,
> > making it different
> >
> > > Like most things related to the internet, nothing was ever planned, so
> > > there is no 'proper' way of doing anything. It would be nice if the
> > > domain names were th other way around so uk. was reserved for emails
> and
> > > domains that actually originated in the UK, but that is never going to
> > > happen now :(
> >
> > Have a nice day
> >
> > --
> > Michelle Konzack
> > 00372-54541400
> >
> >
> > --
> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Jigar Dhulla
>
Michelle Konzack
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 12, 2018 12:50AM
Hi Peter,

Am 2018-01-11 hackte Peter Cowburn in die Tasten:
> Folks, please (re-)familiarize yourself with the "Mailing List Posting
> guidelines" (http://php.net/mailing-lists.php).
> These guidelines advocate the use of "Reply-All" because not everyone who
> is part of a discussion thread is necessarily subscribed to the list.
> Joe Bloggs can happily send an email to this list, for example with a
> question about his PHP script, without being subscribed. If you helpful
> people replying only do so by sending to the list address, then poor Joe
> will think that his question is being ignored when that's really not the
> case. Don't make Joe feel ignored!

Ehm, it is NOT Possibel to post to the list, if you are not subscribed!

I have accidently several times posted from <michelle.konzack> and
not a singel mail came to the list.

OK, EZMLM support subscribtion as NO-MAIL which has to be requested
directly at the <LIST-owner> EMail, but this peoples know what they
are doing including myself, because if I get rid of my current Windows 7
instrallation and I am back in GNU/Linux I wan to get back my No-MAIL
option, which I had in the past for more then 10 years.

To save bandwidth, I am subscribed with a special archive email which
can be read by my self and other users of my mail server...

In clear, I get the mails from 106 Mailinglists only once, but everyone
can read and respond correctly to it.

Have a nice evening
Michelle

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Peter Cowburn
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 12, 2018 10:10AM
On 11 January 2018 at 23:39, Michelle Konzack <[email protected]
t> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> Am 2018-01-11 hackte Peter Cowburn in die Tasten:
> > Folks, please (re-)familiarize yourself with the "Mailing List Posting
> > guidelines" (http://php.net/mailing-lists.php).
> > These guidelines advocate the use of "Reply-All" because not everyone who
> > is part of a discussion thread is necessarily subscribed to the list.
> > Joe Bloggs can happily send an email to this list, for example with a
> > question about his PHP script, without being subscribed. If you helpful
> > people replying only do so by sending to the list address, then poor Joe
> > will think that his question is being ignored when that's really not the
> > case. Don't make Joe feel ignored!
>
> Ehm, it is NOT Possibel to post to the list, if you are not subscribed!
>

Yes, it is possible. See my mail "Test email - ignore" (
http://news.php.net/php.general/326336), which was sent from an address
which is not subscribed to the php-general list.



>
> I have accidently several times posted from <michelle.konzack> and
> not a singel mail came to the list.

OK, EZMLM support subscribtion as NO-MAIL which has to be requested
> directly at the <LIST-owner> EMail, but this peoples know what they
> are doing including myself, because if I get rid of my current Windows 7
> instrallation and I am back in GNU/Linux I wan to get back my No-MAIL
> option, which I had in the past for more then 10 years.
>
> To save bandwidth, I am subscribed with a special archive email which
> can be read by my self and other users of my mail server...
>
> In clear, I get the mails from 106 Mailinglists only once, but everyone
> can read and respond correctly to it.
>
> Have a nice evening
> Michelle
>
> Thanks in avance
>
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> GNU/Linux Developer 00372-54541400
>
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Per Jessen
Re: [PHP] Reply to list ONLY!
January 14, 2018 05:50PM
Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Why do most of you respond always with two messages:
>
> 1) to the list
> 2) a reply direct
>

It is customary on busy lists. Many people adopt it as a general habit..



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