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        <title>[PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
        <description> Hi,

I wrote a RFC that proposes removal of PHP tags.  There is actually
strong public demand for it, and I also think it is necessary to
leverage PHP to a genuine, modern scripting language.

http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags

Regards,
Moriyoshi

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            <description><![CDATA[ &gt; Though does it count if it's still March 31st over here?  ;)<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; --Kris<br />
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Nope, you've been caught! (=<br />
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            <dc:creator>Daniel Macedo</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:00:02 +0200</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Xinchen Hui &lt;laruence@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br />
<br />
&gt; -_#.......<br />
&gt; Nice play ,Moriyoshi sama!<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; 在 2012-4-1，11:03，Rasmus Lerdorf &lt;rasmus@lerdorf.com&gt; 写道：<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; &gt; On Mar 31, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi &lt;mozo@mozo.jp&gt; wrote:<br />
&gt; &gt;<br />
&gt; &gt;&gt; Ok, I'll try to fix that part. Thanks for the correction.<br />
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt; &gt;<br />
&gt; &gt; No problem. Keeping the April 1st RFCs factually accurate is a top<br />
&gt; priority around here.<br />
&gt; &gt;<br />
&gt; &gt; -Rasmus<br />
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&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
Damnit!  I just got April Fools punked for the first time since I was a<br />
kid!  Now how am I supposed to look down my nose at everyone else?!  Thanks<br />
a lot, Moriyoshi.<br />
<br />
Though does it count if it's still March 31st over here?  ;)<br />
<br />
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            <dc:creator>Kris Craig</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:30:01 +0200</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ -_#.......<br />
Nice play ,Moriyoshi sama!<br />
<br />
Sent from my iPhone<br />
<br />
在 2012-4-1，11:03，Rasmus Lerdorf &lt;rasmus@lerdorf.com&gt; 写道：<br />
<br />
&gt; On Mar 31, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi &lt;mozo@mozo.jp&gt; wrote:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; Ok, I'll try to fix that part. Thanks for the correction.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; No problem. Keeping the April 1st RFCs factually accurate is a top priority around here.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; -Rasmus<br />
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            <dc:creator>Xinchen Hui</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 05:40:03 +0200</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Am 01.04.2012 03:59, schrieb Moriyoshi Koizumi:<br />
&gt; Hi,<br />
&gt; <br />
&gt; I wrote a RFC that proposes removal of PHP tags.  There is actually<br />
&gt; strong public demand for it, and I also think it is necessary to<br />
&gt; leverage PHP to a genuine, modern scripting language.<br />
&gt; <br />
&gt; <a href="http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags</a><br />
<br />
nice 1st april joke........]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Reindl Harald</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 05:30:01 +0200</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Well played Moriyoshi. Well played.<br />
<br />
Brian.<br />
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On 3/31/12 10:02 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:<br />
&gt; On Mar 31, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi&lt;mozo@mozo.jp&gt;  wrote:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; Ok, I'll try to fix that part. Thanks for the correction.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; No problem. Keeping the April 1st RFCs factually accurate is a top priority around here.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; -Rasmus<br />
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            <dc:creator>Brian Moon</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ On Mar 31, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi &lt;mozo@mozo.jp&gt; wrote:<br />
<br />
&gt; Ok, I'll try to fix that part. Thanks for the correction.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; <br />
&gt;&gt; <br />
&gt;&gt; <br />
<br />
No problem. Keeping the April 1st RFCs factually accurate is a top priority around here.<br />
<br />
-Rasmus<br />
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            <title>Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Ok, I'll try to fix that part. Thanks for the correction.<br />
<br />
Moriyoshi<br />
<br />
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf &lt;rasmus@lerdorf.com&gt; wrote:<br />
&gt; On Mar 31, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi &lt;mozo@mozo.jp&gt; wrote:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; Hi,<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; I wrote a RFC that proposes removal of PHP tags.  There is actually<br />
&gt;&gt; strong public demand for it, and I also think it is necessary to<br />
&gt;&gt; leverage PHP to a genuine, modern scripting language.<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags</a><br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; I really doubt this will find much support, and note that PHP came well before ASP so that part of the RFC is factually inaccurate.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; -Rasmus<br />
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            <dc:creator>Moriyoshi Koizumi</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Removing PHP tags</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Hi:<br />
   sorry for say that, but the only benifit I can see, is save 5+ characters...<br />
<br />
thanks<br />
<br />
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Klaus Silveira &lt;klaussilveira@php.net&gt; wrote:<br />
&gt; What many people fail to see is that PHP is it's own templating language.<br />
&gt; It might be ugly for people used to other template languages, but it works<br />
&gt; perfectly and right out of the box.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Klaus Silveira &lt;klaussilveira@php.net&gt;wrote:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; Removing PHP's native feature of being able to be easily embedded inside<br />
&gt;&gt; HTML and other markup languages is absolutely retrograde. Of of the biggest<br />
&gt;&gt; points in favor of PHP is that i'm able to easily do this:<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;ul&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;?php foreach ($stuff as $item): ?&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;?php echo $item ?&gt;&lt;/li&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;?php endforeach; ?&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; Or this:<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;?xml version=&quot;1.0&quot; ?&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;store&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;?php foreach ($stuff as $item): ?&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;product&gt;&lt;?php echo $item ?&gt;&lt;/product&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;?php endforeach; ?&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; &lt;/store&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; Without having to implement any slow-as-hell template language. It works<br />
&gt;&gt; right out of the box. Using MVC as an argument for tag removal is a clear<br />
&gt;&gt; disrespect to the language itself.<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
<br />
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            <description><![CDATA[ What many people fail to see is that PHP is it's own templating language.<br />
It might be ugly for people used to other template languages, but it works<br />
perfectly and right out of the box.<br />
<br />
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Klaus Silveira &lt;klaussilveira@php.net&gt;wrote:<br />
<br />
&gt; Removing PHP's native feature of being able to be easily embedded inside<br />
&gt; HTML and other markup languages is absolutely retrograde. Of of the biggest<br />
&gt; points in favor of PHP is that i'm able to easily do this:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;ul&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;?php foreach ($stuff as $item): ?&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;li&gt;&lt;?php echo $item ?&gt;&lt;/li&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;?php endforeach; ?&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Or this:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;?xml version=&quot;1.0&quot; ?&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;store&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;?php foreach ($stuff as $item): ?&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;product&gt;&lt;?php echo $item ?&gt;&lt;/product&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;?php endforeach; ?&gt;<br />
&gt; &lt;/store&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Without having to implement any slow-as-hell template language. It works<br />
&gt; right out of the box. Using MVC as an argument for tag removal is a clear<br />
&gt; disrespect to the language itself.<br />
&gt;]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Klaus Silveira</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ On Mar 31, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Moriyoshi Koizumi &lt;mozo@mozo.jp&gt; wrote:<br />
<br />
&gt; Hi,<br />
&gt; <br />
&gt; I wrote a RFC that proposes removal of PHP tags.  There is actually<br />
&gt; strong public demand for it, and I also think it is necessary to<br />
&gt; leverage PHP to a genuine, modern scripting language.<br />
&gt; <br />
&gt; <a href="http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags</a><br />
<br />
I really doubt this will find much support, and note that PHP came well before ASP so that part of the RFC is factually inaccurate.<br />
<br />
-Rasmus<br />
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            <description><![CDATA[ Removing PHP's native feature of being able to be easily embedded inside<br />
HTML and other markup languages is absolutely retrograde. Of of the biggest<br />
points in favor of PHP is that i'm able to easily do this:<br />
<br />
&lt;ul&gt;<br />
&lt;?php foreach ($stuff as $item): ?&gt;<br />
&lt;li&gt;&lt;?php echo $item ?&gt;&lt;/li&gt;<br />
&lt;?php endforeach; ?&gt;<br />
&lt;/ul&gt;<br />
<br />
Or this:<br />
<br />
&lt;?xml version=&quot;1.0&quot; ?&gt;<br />
&lt;store&gt;<br />
&lt;?php foreach ($stuff as $item): ?&gt;<br />
&lt;product&gt;&lt;?php echo $item ?&gt;&lt;/product&gt;<br />
&lt;?php endforeach; ?&gt;<br />
&lt;/store&gt;<br />
<br />
Without having to implement any slow-as-hell template language. It works<br />
right out of the box. Using MVC as an argument for tag removal is a clear<br />
disrespect to the language itself.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Klaus Silveira</dc:creator>
            <category>php-internals</category>
            <pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2012 04:30:01 +0200</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Hi,<br />
<br />
I wrote a RFC that proposes removal of PHP tags.  There is actually<br />
strong public demand for it, and I also think it is necessary to<br />
leverage PHP to a genuine, modern scripting language.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">http://wiki.php.net/rfc/nophptags</a><br />
<br />
Regards,<br />
Moriyoshi<br />
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            <dc:creator>Moriyoshi Koizumi</dc:creator>
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