[PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Rasmus Lerdorf — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:11:24 +0100

Ok, by popular demand I have changed "Bogus" to "Not a bug" in the bugs
tracker. The sub-status stuff we have been discussing can just be added
in the comment when you mark something as "Not a bug". eg.
Status: Not a bug
Reason: 583 CNR

So, having done this, for the folks too skittish to mark stuff Bogus on
people, please take another look at the bug database and help us address
the outstanding bugs and mark things as "Not a bug" for the stuff that
clearly isn't. If you need more info from the bug reporter, set the
status to feedback and ask in the comment.

There are common search queries on the front page at https:bugs.php.net.
Hit the "Most recent open bugs (all)" link and start going through them.

-Rasmus

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Larry Garfield — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:10:44 +0100

On 1/24/12 5:47 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Justin Martin wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they
>> are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for
>> documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the
>> documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation thoroughly enough.
>>
>> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
>> would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
>> being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>>
>> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Justin Martin
>>
>>
>
> +1 on this.
> some other alternatives which was proposed in the past:
> - Not a bug, proposed by Philip and others
> - NFF/No Fault Found, proposed by RQuadling
>
> honorable mentions:
> - pebkac, doofus, and 'not our problem' from yawk
> - SEP (Someone else's problem) from cjones

I was recently introduced to the concept of the "Level 8" error. (Let's
see who gets that one...)

Anyway, +1 from me as well to friendlier, less accusational issue statuses.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Gwynne Raskind — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:40:18 +0100

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 04:23, Pierre Joye wrote:
> hi Justin,
>
> I'm totally for that, has been asked it for years.
>
> Let see what other nicer status we need as wel :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Justin Martin wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they are
>> reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for documentation
>> problems, where someone has misunderstood what the documentation says, or
>> hasn't read the documentation thoroughly enough.
>>
>> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
>> would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
>> being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>>
>> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?

Big +1 from me as well.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Pierre Joye — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:30:19 +0100

hi Justin,

I'm totally for that, has been asked it for years.

Let see what other nicer status we need as wel :)

Cheers,

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Justin Martin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they are
> reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for documentation
> problems, where someone has misunderstood what the documentation says, or
> hasn't read the documentation thoroughly enough.
>
> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
> would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
> being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>
> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
>
> Thank you,
> Justin Martin
>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Lester Caine — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:30:18 +0100

Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>> some other alternatives which was proposed in the past:
>> > - Not a bug, proposed by Philip and others
>> > - NFF/No Fault Found, proposed by RQuadling
>> >
>> > honorable mentions:
>> > - pebkac, doofus, and 'not our problem' from yawk
>> > - SEP (Someone else's problem) from cjones
>> >
> 583: CNR (Could Not Reproduce)

Actually that is perhaps a missing option?
As opposed to those 'bugs' which can be reproduced, but are actually by design,
or relate to now unsupported functionality? (? won't fix)
The list of 'quick fix' options are perhaps just as misleading, and some of the
combinations suggest 'bogus' when in fact they can be better identified. 'Wont
Fix' == 'No longer supported' perhaps, and 'Submitted Twice' is simply
'duplicate' which needs a link to the main bug id.

I think that it is perhaps time there was a more comprehensive review of the
tagging options, and perhaps breaking down things a little more? It is not
immediately obvious as what statuses are 'open' and what 'closed'? 'Feedback and
No feedback' for instance when seeking more information on what is currently a
CNR? Flagging as Assigned, Analysed or Verified on something identified as
'critical'? And a more consistent use of the 'Bug type' ( perhaps 'Critical bug'
should be there? ) so that documentation problems are not listed as bugs - such
as 'bugs' currently listed against the outage on the website? Although a
'website' bug type might be appropriate for that? Certainly they are only a
'Documentation problem'

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Rasmus Lerdorf — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:01:38 +0100

On Jan 24, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Justin Martin wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they
>> are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for
>> documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the
>> documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation thoroughly enough.
>>
>> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
>> would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
>> being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>>
>> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Justin Martin
>>
>>
>
> +1 on this.
> some other alternatives which was proposed in the past:
> - Not a bug, proposed by Philip and others
> - NFF/No Fault Found, proposed by RQuadling
>
> honorable mentions:
> - pebkac, doofus, and 'not our problem' from yawk
> - SEP (Someone else's problem) from cjones
>

583: CNR (Could Not Reproduce)

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Ferenc Kovacs — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:01:38 +0100

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Justin Martin wrote:

> Hello,
>
> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they
> are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for
> documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the
> documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation thoroughly enough.
>
> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
> would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
> being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>
> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
>
> Thank you,
> Justin Martin
>
>

+1 on this.
some other alternatives which was proposed in the past:
- Not a bug, proposed by Philip and others
- NFF/No Fault Found, proposed by RQuadling

honorable mentions:
- pebkac, doofus, and 'not our problem' from yawk
- SEP (Someone else's problem) from cjones

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Christopher Jones — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:01:38 +0100

On 01/24/2012 03:21 PM, Charlie Somerville wrote:
> It'd also be nice to see a more receptive approach to bug
> reports. It's concerning that so many legitimate bug reports get
> labelled as bogus for whatever reason.

To be 100% clear, this is just a proposed wording change. The bugs
you mention would now be marked "not a bug" for exactly the same
reasons they currently get marked "bogus".

Chris

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Charlie Somerville — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:23:18 +0100

It'd also be nice to see a more receptive approach to bug reports. It's concerning that so many legitimate bug reports get labelled as bogus for whatever reason.

On Wednesday, 25 January 2012 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Fonda wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Christopher Jones
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01/24/2012 03:11 PM, Justin Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they
> > > > are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for
> > > > documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the
> > > > documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation
> > > > thoroughly enough.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
> > > > would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
> > > > being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
> > > >
> > > > Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Justin Martin
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm +1 on this. It's time for a new, more collaborative approach.
> >
> > Sure, I'll +1 on this. The "bogus" implies "RTFM, bitch", which isn't
> > professional at all :-)
> >
>
>
> I've felt this way for a long time. Big +1 on changing this.
>
> Cheers,
> --Matthew
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Matthew Fonda — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:23:18 +0100

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Christopher Jones
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/24/2012 03:11 PM, Justin Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they
>>> are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for
>>> documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the
>>> documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation
>>> thoroughly enough.
>>>
>>> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
>>> would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
>>> being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>>>
>>> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Justin Martin
>>>
>>
>> I'm +1 on this. It's time for a new, more collaborative approach.
>
> Sure, I'll +1 on this. The "bogus" implies "RTFM, bitch", which isn't
> professional at all :-)

I've felt this way for a long time. Big +1 on changing this.

Cheers,
--Matthew

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Paul Dragoonis — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:23:17 +0100

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Christopher Jones
wrote:
>
>
> On 01/24/2012 03:11 PM, Justin Martin wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they
>> are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for
>> documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the
>> documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation
>> thoroughly enough.
>>
>> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
>> would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is
>> being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>>
>> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Justin Martin
>>
>
> I'm +1 on this. It's time for a new, more collaborative approach.

Sure, I'll +1 on this. The "bogus" implies "RTFM, bitch", which isn't
professional at all :-)

>
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Re: [PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Christopher Jones — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:23:17 +0100

On 01/24/2012 03:11 PM, Justin Martin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation
> thoroughly enough.
>
> I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug is being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.
>
> Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?
>
> Thank you,
> Justin Martin
>

I'm +1 on this. It's time for a new, more collaborative approach.

Chris

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[PHP-DEV] Change bug tracker "bogus" to "not-bug"?

Justin Martin — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:23:17 +0100

Hello,

With some frequency, I find bugs which are not "bogus", so much as they
are reported based on a misunderstanding. Usually this happens for
documentation problems, where someone has misunderstood what the
documentation says, or hasn't read the documentation thoroughly enough.

I'd like to propose simply changing the term "bogus" to "not-bug". This
would more politely and clearly indicate the nature of the way the bug
is being closed, in addition to the comment that one ordinarily leaves.

Those I've spoken to in php.doc agree. Any objections?

Thank you,
Justin Martin

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